The Bergen Burn House

No burn house next to Bergen Elementary!!

  • About the Burn Building
  • CONTACT THE EFR NOW!
  • EFR and Community Committee Discussion
  • Join us now!
  • Map of Burn House Location
  • Photos and download flyers to share
  • The Bond
  • The facts about theatrical smoke: It’s dangergous!
  • The FACTS vs. Fiction Sheet
  • The latest update….10/4/12
  • The Options (a better burn house!)

PLEASE ATTEND THE EFPD BOARD MEETING AND BE HEARD: Tuesday, October 9 at 7pm. Sign up to speak when you get there.

Posted by An Evergreen Tax Payer on October 6, 2012
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Many of you asked us: Are there real health and safety risks with the proposed Burn Building? The answer is: YES!

Here are the facts:

The EFPD has proposed to combine theatrical smoke with live burn training to “mitigate” the problem of toxic fumes. Typically, live burn trainings use wood to create heat and smoke for the desired effect and they do not use theatrical smoke.

Paul Peil, who spoke at the Fire Board meeting on 11 Sept., researched this extensively. He talked with the owners of Froggy’s Fog, professionals in the field and other Fire Departments. Theatrical smoke like Froggy’s Fog, by itself and in small quantities, is fine as long as the smoke generating machine is maintained and calibrated and fire is not added to the mix. However, inhaling a large plume of this smoke (when you walk by the school or down the sidewalk when the EFPD is training) is questionable for your health. Unlike firefighters, we do not wear masks. There is a class action law suit by the actors’ guild around having to breathe this in during productions.

It was discovered that the combination of chemicals when combining Froggy’s Fog with live fire greatly increases the toxicity. Theatrical smoke, per the owner of Froggy’s Fog, is not the preferred method to create a live fire and have the Froggy’s Fog product create the smoke element. This is what the fire department proposes to do. It is not designed for that. Combining those elements makes it toxic and can lead to combustion (a fire and or explosion).

This information was passed on to the EFPD repeatedly and Paul was dismissed as being paranoid. In fact, Paul was right all along. The fire district has now hired an industrial hygienist to look into this because of Paul’s insistence.

An EPA specialist, who originally stated that the smoke would be fine, has now sent an email to the EFPD stating that he reverses his decision. Having seen Paul’s research and The Naval Research Lab study on the same subject, he now believes that it is NOT a safe combination.

To summarize, we did the research that the EFPD should have done in the first place to protect the community. Not until we pestered them with the data did they look into what they were doing. This should have been their job from day one.  We have yet to hear back from the EFPD safety officer on their findings.

We also found that, for the last 8 years, the EFPD has not calibrated their smoke generating machines. They have also been using the wrong cleaning products  on their smoke machines. According to the manufacturers manuals, SUCH PRACTICES ARE DANGEROUS AND SHOULD BE AVOIDED.

Our conclusion:

Our firefighters are good people. Our concern is that they are a volunteer staff that lacks the full time, training and supervision required to maintain the safety of a live fire burn building. 

It takes a lot to stay up with the latest techniques and procedures. The industry is constantly changing. Our volunteers cannot be expected to do all of this in their spare time. Training at the $18M facility in Lakewood, 25 minutes away, would satisfy these safety needs. Remember, firefighters only need to go there once every 3 years.

 

WE NEED YOUR HELP to RECALL THE ELECTION of the BOARD

Posted by An Evergreen Tax Payer on October 4, 2012
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We need your response below!

We are appealing to you, our neighbors, to help guide us in our actions to prevent the construction and use of an industrial burn building in our community. We question the location and need for a facility owned by the Evergreen Fire Rescue while there is an $18 million dollar facility only 20 minutes away.

We believe there are two issues that we need to address. The first is the actual location of a facility of this nature on Bergen Parkway next to an elementary and middle school, residential housing, the recreation center and open space. The second is the ability of the EFR to push these plans through while ignoring all input from the community. As our community grows, this issue becomes more important as we lose control of the feel and growth of our community.

Therefore we ask for your opinion and support in the recall of the Evergreen Fire Rescue Board as they have been unresponsive and unwilling to listen to the concerns of the community.

Our question to you is simple: If the community initiates the recall of the Fire Board with a view to elect members that will listen to the concerns of the community, will you support it? The recall process will require a lot of help from you, the community, over this next 3 months in the form of simply getting the word out with flyers and talking to your neighbors. We need to know that we have your support before we move forward.

Please reply to this email with a yes or a no and any comments that you may have: burnbuilding@gmail.com. Thank you!!

If you can’t come tonight, 9/11/12, please email!

Posted by An Evergreen Tax Payer on September 11, 2012
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If you cannot make it to tonight’s Evergreen Fire Board Meeting, you can send an e-mail directly to the Fire Board of Directors at districtboard@evergreenfirerescue.com. Please copy your e-mail to burnbuilding@gmail.com as well, we protect your name and e-mail address. If you attend the meeting and have a comment from it, we will forward your e-mail without your name and e-mail directly to the Fire Board of Directors. Pros and cons are encouraged. We have learned one member of the Fire Board is not considering e-mails without names and ID’s.  We explained to that board member we respect the privacy of our residents.

The Community Burn Building Committee

ATTEND meeting Sept 11th 7pm at EFR—voice disapproval. (EFRD votes that night.)

Posted by An Evergreen Tax Payer on August 26, 2012
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Please Oppose the Proposed

Industrial Burn Building in Bergen Park

 

We support our firefighters’ training …

Not the burn building.

 

EMAIL your disapproval NOW BEFORE Sept 10, 2012

burnbuilding@gmail.com

(We will compile your concerns and hide your identity.)

 

ATTEND meeting Sept 11th 7pm at EFR—voice disapproval. (EFR votes that night.)

 

Evergreen Fire Rescue proposes an industrial burn building at 1802 Bergen Pkwy in front of Bergen Meadows Elementary (pre-k thru 2nd)

 

1. Nothing can stop the EFRD from renting out the facility to other Fire Districts to defer costs. This increases traffic, smoke, lights, noise and industrial use.

2. Live burn training is the ugliest, noisiest, smelliest part of firefighter training.

3. Safety is an issue with smoke. Live fire trainings mix wood products with theatrical smoke, the combination of which is unknown. Residents with breathing problems or asthma could be put at risk.

4. EFRD says they need to spend $500,000 of taxpayers’ money to build a burn facility in Bergen Park versus commuting to Lakewood for $700/day (or $2,800/year).

5. An $18 million dollar state of the art facility is 25 minutes away. It costs only $2,800/year. Training there is more comprehensive and easy to schedule. The national trend it to share regional facilities such as this one in Lakewood.

6. An EFRD burn building would be utilized only 10%. Payback would be 178 years.

7. It would be built next to an Elementary School, the Rec Center, office and retail buildings in the residential area of Bergen Park.

8. EFRD does not report to Federal, State or County Planning and Zoning because it is a special district. It reports only to the PUBLIC.

9. EFRD has trained in Denver since 1985 (26 years). We ask that they continue. EFDD says each firefighter doesn’t want to drive 25 min to Lakewood one day every 3 years. That is what they do now. That is all that certification requires.

  1. Safety is an issue with any live fire. Accidents happen.
  1. Evergreen community did NOT specifically approve this burn building in the 2002 or 2005 levy. The HOAs did NOT approve this building. The community has NOT been adequately notified of the options.

 

Email: burnbuilding@gmail.com

Keep Evergreen safe and beautiful.

We’re on the news! We don’t want a burn building in Bergen Park!!

Posted by An Evergreen Tax Payer on August 15, 2012
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The burn building made the news last night. Channel 7 coverage below:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/video/31357577/index.html

MUST SEE Video: EFPD training

Posted by An Evergreen Tax Payer on August 5, 2012
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The following is a video of current burn training with the one-story burn house. Just imagine adding 3 more stories!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyo9mEudPso

Keep Evergreen Beautiful!

Posted by An Evergreen Tax Payer on August 5, 2012
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Welcome to Evergreen!

Evergreen—home of its own industrial burn building training tower, which is conveniently located next door to Bergen Meadow Elementary School, across the street from professional buildings, and close to open space, homes, and trout ponds.

Enjoy your hike, walk, and bike ride around the neighborhood as you inhale the smell of smoke. Don’t worry if you have an allergy or respiratory ailment since our own Chamber of Commerce issues face masks to aid in breathing. Yes, Evergreen is here for you.

Watch the smoke pour out of the burn building as you exercise at the Buchanan Recreation Center. Savior the aesthetics of this industrial building as it soars above the trees blocking mountain views. This is Evergreen at its best. We have it all! We have our own industrial burn building. We are now just like Denver. Wow, what did we do without it?

 

Keep Evergreen Beautiful!

 

Stop the burn building on Bergen Parkway

Email us your thoughts at burnbuilding@gmail.com

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